Calm the hell down Hagy is a human too

GG @FatAssDogs, you just advanced to level 5!
February 3, 2019

MGSparkle®

hey @hagy bro it's been 3 weeks you haven't uploaded any videos man is everything good?

CMD Parodies

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-aul-goodman-better-call-saul-gif-3467114

He's currently on a vacation in Belize

SammyPowerGames

@everyone Calm the hell down Hagy is a human too and he is probably doing real life shit god damn :PickleBoy:

CMD Parodies

Wait what

ForzaClutch

That's it I'm unsubbing!!!!

FatAssDogs

That’s it I’m suing k sir

SammyPowerGames

@ForzaClutch Lol.,

jeana_n_

Nnnnnnn shit n stuff

ForzaClutch

N k sir

SammyPowerGames

@everyone If you guys havent watched @Cantankerous Chimp 's new livestream go watch it! "Fake Newz #1.)- The Wrath of MAGA" https://youtu.be/dgLYwD4M4Ro
YouTube
Fake Newz #1.)- The Wrath of MAGA
Vape Store Freakout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1yZ69joEoE Girl Crying over Maga Hat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Fb9PWvlgc&t=2s

ForzaClutch

Best image so far, just having trouble getting the haze out of it.

CMD Parodies

It's amazing, man
February 5, 2019

SammyPowerGames

A lot of people waiting for the train to go to Boston
February 8, 2019

SammyPowerGames

@everyone hagy said they will be back next week!

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Trash Panda

Hope he's havin' fun at least

ForzaClutch

Whoops I ruined it lol
February 9, 2019

MGSparkle®

@SammyPowerGames thanks for the update!
https://tenor.com/view/brian-regan-derp-what-gif-11376849

SammyPowerGames

@MGSparkle® No problem! Thats my job!
@everyone If anyone has suggestions just DM me or @ me in chat!

FatAssDogs

@SammyPowerGames I can’t go in the other chats besides this one. Anyway I could get on them extra chats?
Cause everything except this is read only

SammyPowerGames

@FatAssDogs Can you go ahead any try to go into every chat for me would help me fix it
In text channels

FatAssDogs

@SammyPowerGames everything is still read only

SammyPowerGames

Can you hop in general voice

FatAssDogs

It’s good

SammyPowerGames

@everyone can you guys maker

CMD Parodies

Lol wtf I just lost permission to view the chat

SammyPowerGames

Fuck which one @CMD Parodies

CMD Parodies

All of them

SammyPowerGames

@CMD Parodies could you hop in voice chat real quick

Cantankerous Chimp

The fuck
Yo

Cantankerous Chimp

Gay

SammyPowerGames

@everyone I think me and @Cantankerous Chimp fixed it

Cantankerous Chimp

Aliens hacked the server

FatAssDogs

@SammyPowerGames @Cantankerous Chimp good job boys. Now I can type in all the chats

Cantankerous Chimp

@CMD Parodies I'm blaming you

SammyPowerGames

@FatAssDogs thank you, were the best for this job

FatAssDogs

@SammyPowerGames np
February 10, 2019

AnunnakiBro

Hey thanks for opening up the other text channels for me I appreciate it!

SammyPowerGames

@AnunnakiBro np anytime!

ForzaClutch

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My glibness is perhaps my undoing. In this; "Further, no, America - contrary to the narcissism of the people who inherited the stolen property of the British Empire and believe this somehow gives them 'magic values' that transcend all behavioral genetics and laws of nature - is not some particularly nuanced and complex thing." the emphasis is on the bolded rather than the 'stolen' part that seems to have caused such displeasure
My contention is that I do not see anything in America - be it her values, her legalism, her societal structure or whatever else - that is uniquely equipped to prevent her from following the same course all vast, multicultural and multiethnic unions inevitably travel down and all Republics inevitably travel down. The American people are certainly possessed of quasi-unique morals and Romanticisms but I see nothing tangible that will prevent America following that course. That course being;
. In the case of multiethnic Empires - and territoriality America certainly qualifies - competition between varying ethnic groups will inevitably grow so fierce that the union cannot be retained without the erection of a vast bureaucratic infrastructure ruled over by an autocrat as seen in the cases of Byzantium and the Ottoman Empire.
. In the case of Republics one inevitably sees the rise of an entrenched, Senatorial-Bureaucrat class who, over many generations, centralizes power onto herself and fundamentally - all be it silently - reforms the Republic into a fully fledged oligarchy which will either then grow into unaccountable despotism unchallenged or, much more probably in the American case, create the rise of a Julius Caesar who ends the Republic

My entire point, from the beginning, has been that I do not see much in America which uniquely preserves it from either of the above outcomes short of - like I literally contended from the beginning - the total victory of a Bolsonaro like figure and sweeping reform. My second point was that I see quite a lot of evidence that the road towards the above outcomes is already well tread. Thusly, I was curious as to why earnest, genuine individualists - and I suspect most of you are - might throw their support behind movements that - to my reckoning - arc inevitably towards a Caesarist front, what it is they might do if such movements become Caeserist fronts and associated questions.  Cause and effect questions about political actors in space and time. That's why Prism's response pleased me; he outright stated he'd oppose such things. Cool. I didn't make this a moral dispute between """Individualism and Collectivism""" - I believe in and adhere to neither, if you're curious - and have no interest in such discussions, only submitting to them because that was the nature of retorts I received and I do like to chinwag. If I'm totally candid about the issue in an age of Eco-Fascism, NeoReaction, NazBol, Neo-Maoism, Hoppean-Libertarianism, AnCap, AnComs and straight chaos-cultist-anarchists I find individualism and particularly "Individualism versus Collectivism" to be probably the most boring topic we can possibly discuss. I'll be honest if it's broached... but my entire point was to suggest that a certain realpolitik development might happen and discuss what actual people might do if it happens
Now, I'm happy to be wrong and see this certain realpolitik development not happen but I'd like to be convinced that it won;t. So far the evidence I've been given is such:
. A video of a guy beating up some whiteidpol guy.
On this I have two thoughts; if one video of an """Alt-Right""" guy getting choked out by a """Patriot""" constitutes a compelling refutation of my contention then, as a counter point, I table the footage of Heather Heyer being rundown in the street as evidence that America has entered total Wiemarization and that moderates of all stripes are going to sign up with the fash and the tankie within 6 months. Not quite compelling, is it? I need more
Secondly; if the testimony that goes along with the video is true - and I don't know that - and the """Patriot""" really was the beneficiary of the legal system  - above all else an institution long ago hijacked by neoliberalism and the Cathedral - bending and contorting itself out of shape to let him walk free where it really shouldn't have then this Patriot is not tangibly - at a mechanical level as an actor, obviously his morals differ - distinguishable from ANTIFA. He is an actor for whom the institutions of neoliberalism - who do not consider themselves allies to """Patriots""" - have granted support to in his actions. This should be a troublesome point to you. It casts some doubt as to whose agenda is truly being served with the choking out of an identitarian and who it is that's truly anti-establishment in all this.
-and the second piece of evidence I have received a lot of;
. Lots of moral discussion about how virtuous American Individualism is and how anti-collectivist you all are
I mean... cool? Not my point though. The fact many here favor "American Individualism" and I regard such a thing to hedge very close to being an outright fiction wasn't even remotely related to what I'm discussing. I contended - with relative neutrality on the issue - that if the United States cannot provide reform to the Trumpite base the Trumpite base will become a Bolsonaro base and if they don't get reform they'll become a Franco-like base. That's it. If you think I'm wrong tell me why. That kind of stuff is cool. I'm much more interested in your takes on events than your ideas on morality. This is what draws me to Tim. I like theorcrafting more than I do debating ethics and such was the spirit of my initial venture
-and to round out that point; again, there is no tangible way in which 'being very individualistic' acts as a safeguard against what I have contended may happen. Again, your values aren't magic and I, out of look-you-in-the-eye-and-say-it-respect, won't back down from the first part either; it is narcissistic to think your values - whether leftist, rightist, individualistic or collectivist all nothing but ephemeral ideas - can act as a safeguard against a conflagration of tangible grievances. Your feelings aren't going to stop angry people taking to the streets - as NONE ever have... what is so exceptional about America's in this regard? - and it's bizarre to think they might.
Finally, a few little points:

. I don't hold the American people in contempt. I actually generally find them a nicer sorts than Europeans. The only Americans I can be said to truly hate - bearing in mind that I don't regard the far left or Neo-Cons to meaningfully qualify as American... they chose the Internationale and now have to live with that choice - is your so called Founding Fathers and Woodrow Wilson. For many Americans finding that first group disagreeable seems to be the same as saying one 'hates all Americans' and I find this to veer into the kind of base hero worship earnest individualists should spurn if they're going to truly commit themselves to the values they proclaim to believe in. Beyond that? I think the American people deserve FAR better than "Banker Red" versus "Banker Blue" at election time and this carefully manufactured illusion of a democracy. I think they deserve better than a Uniparty Oligarchy that clothes itself so well behind layer after layer of bureaucracy and propaganda about 'democratic values' that you, like all peoples living in democracies, have partially succumbed to the gaslighting and think your tyrants are legitimate and benevolent for it. I find this troubling and I am sympathetic. I believe you have always suffered under the rule of tyrants and always will... and so you deserve honest tyranny... cuz' at least that way you know who to point your AR-15s at when the tyranny grows illegitimate and dishonorable. My abiding want is for the American people to be happy and fruitful. I think you are ruled over as cattle and badly mistreated. That - since it has come up - is the root of my criticism of the Republic and while you may well disagree at an axiomatic level I won't be told I hate you.

. Taking the phrase 'stolen territory of the British Empire' personally - given that this is a base, legal fact... you did steal territory of the British Empire when you became independent - does not exactly refute the claim your culture is not yet fully formed and is burdened by immaturity. It's not an insult, by the way; all cultures begin that way and you are a young country. You will get there... and one of the signs of your getting there will be self-effacement. The ability to look back on yourself and reconcile yourselves to precisely what you are and recognize with simple neutrality things that have happened and how they shaped you. An olive branch in this regard; yes, Poland's story is of a tiny tribe of halfwits fighting constant, desperate wars for survival against vastly more powerful , more intelligent and greater enemies in both the Tsardom and the Reich and, overwhelmingly, losing. In this way we are among the losers of history and this greatly influences who and what we are. There's neither glory nor shame in it, just as there is neither glory nor shame in stealing territory from the British Empire. You're going to have to accept yourself before you can know yourself which will then allow you to be yourself... and yeah, a few centuries is nothing in the grand scheme of nations. You will get there though.
. Finally, as to Poland being 'America's Bitch':
> The American taxpayer pays for our military
> The American investor class - under the rule of Mr. America First, no less - pumps in billions for dem sweet 'outsource to poor Eastern Europeans profits
> Poland agrees to token obligations in exchange which, if I know us well, we won't even fulfill
Just as America was once happy to become the pawn of Spain and France to achieve its own ends I am perfectly content to let the United States and the American taxpayer make us a money sink based on arcane 'Anti-Russia' posturing in the knowledge that we can break literally any commitment we've made to you and you'll do nothing. Again; you deserve far better than this and deserve leaders who govern for the American people rather than the American Empire.

Guess what? A few famous characters of history said the same as you. America has nothing, the people are nothing, we will fall. Yet we are still here and those kings and dictators are long since silent in their graves. We have curtailed quite a few "inevitable" outcomes by the very people you don't seem to understand. No matter the mechanisms in place there is room for a wrench to be thrown in. Americans are divided right now but a threatened cornered animal is more dangerous.  An injured animal is deadly. Americans have been trying to not repeat history despite our shitty government and its shady dealings. There is no romance in knowing you would have to face your own death to save a way of life that benefits people from around the world. We don't expect you to understand but this land never belonged to the British. Just showing up and declaring a land is yours doesn't equal ownership. Kicked out and beaten are all they had and haven't come back since. To us this is our legacy, our country, our culture, our way of life. Not yours and while you poo poo in the name of "glibness" we do not poo poo on your culture or way of life. Would I know about Poland from a few history books, invasions, wars? Would I know the deep meaning to that culture and history of yours? No I wouldn't and I don't aim to pretend to know. So I won't insult you by saying your country is all the stereotypes I've heard. I won't say that your country has fought for what it has. I also won't take you seriously since the people of this country who value theirs as much as you value yours are just blind, meaningless children.
We don't need another history lesson for you to prove your point. But remember the same Amercia cheered for your independence in kicking out the economic migrants plaguing your borders. You are free to doubt our resolve and we are free to not listen to it anymore.

So, again, 'this outcome won't happen because I feel very strongly about the topic.'
If you don't want to discuss the mechanisms underpinning this as I do so be it. If enough people say so I'll withdraw the topic and we can discuss other matters. That's fine with me... but don't give me romance when I - again - have asked for some nuts and bolts. Nuts and bolts interest me, feelings - the accurate description of ideals - don't. More footage like the type Human provided would be good. I would be interested in seeing exactly whether or not that is a trend in American society
but as to the rest of it
again, I respect y'all too much to lie; Americans are typical. They're neither exemplary nor are they particular failures. They're just average, decent people trying to get by being acted upon by forces far more powerful than themselves. I see no compelling evidence that they will, by sheer force of idealism, hold such forces at bay through nothing but grit and willpower of ideological commitment, which is what I seem to be being told will happen. Rome had resolve too. It also had nuts and bolts forces acting upon it. Your 'counter nuts and bolts' are what interest me.
and finally;
"Would I know about Poland from a few history books, invasions, wars? Would I know the deep meaning to that culture and history of yours? "
Yes. A few invasions would do it.

Double finally; let's not be melodramatic. I've at no point said the American people "are nothing" or that America "has nothing." I think the American people are fundamentally dignified and civilized and deserve far more than what they're beleaguered by. I think they also have and will continue to achieve great feats. I simply believe that a certain course of events is going to play out and you don't,  disagree with you on the nature of where America's economic prosperity has come from, and  - finally - disagree with you on the relative fruitfulness of one strain - individualism - of political thought, just as I view its opposite - collectivism - as a failure. These are hardly the great insults you think they are.




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